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MakeItVibrate
10-06-2009, 08:31 PM
So i just sold my 3 12w0s and am looking to get something better. Im prob looking in the range of 300-400 dollars.

I found a 12w7 in a ported box for $300 on craigslist and was debating on whether to get it or not. How would this compare to my three 12s in spl and sq? I dont want to have buyers remorse after i get it.

Besides that im pretty much open to opinions. I would prefer 2 12s. Big JL fan but would consider other brands. Whatever it may be it must be louder than three 12W0s.

BTW i will be powering the subs with my cadence iA7.

neillio
10-06-2009, 09:45 PM
A pair of Audioque SDC2.5's www.audioque.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dual-Vented-Ported-Subwoofer-Box-12-3-4-MDF-Enclosure_W0QQitemZ220491008047QQcmdZViewItemQQptZ LH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item335649c82f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
For $75 shipped...doesn't look to be a bad box. 1.65ft3 per chamber and tuned @ 40hz. Audioque says 37-40hz tuning for their subs.

ser33
10-06-2009, 10:00 PM
I like the IA7's good choice. And about the 12w7, i've only heard good things. Great SPL and SQ best of both worlds. But if you were looking for something else that budget is really good. Lots of options:
Type R's

http://www.woofersetc.com/p2529/SWR1242D--Alpine-12"-TypeR-1500-Watt-Dual-4Ohm-Subwoofer.htm

Imagine Dynamics- Not often reccommended but i'v been impressed with them

http://www.woofersetc.com/p2035/IDQ12V2D4--Image-Dynamics-12"-IDQ-Dual-4-Ohm-Subwoofer.htm

Kenwood

http://www.woofersetc.com/p7890/KFCXW1222D--Kenwood-12"-2000W-Dual-2Ohm-Subwoofer.htm

Hope these are good options. Just some subs i've been impressed with.

MakeItVibrate
10-07-2009, 01:31 AM
See, I know the 12w7 is a beast of a woofer but will one w7 be louder than three 12w0s? Does the w7 beat the surface area of three 12s with sheer power?

ser33
10-07-2009, 02:19 AM
I've never heard the 12w0's. The watts that you would push would be way higher thats for sure, so I assume that it would be louder. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, I don't buy JL products.

Rare177
10-07-2009, 02:58 AM
watts doesnt mean more output, more output (as far as subs goes) is all about displacement, i dont think a single w7 is going to displace more air than 3 12s on 200 watts each.

but again, a single sub is much easier to optimise as far as the install goes, so it CAN be louder, if you're doing a simple install in a large car then i wouldn't expect more from the W7.

for straight up output, take neillio's suggestion, i would put them in a 2cuft per sub box though.

2 of those ported high with 1200 watts will be louder than your w0s (assuming they were sealed) by a decent amount.

neillio
10-07-2009, 03:28 AM
Yeah, 1.65ft3 net is a lil small for the Audioque. 2-2.2ft3 would be much better with a tune around 37/38hz. An all around daily beat machine.:cool:

bassfreak
10-07-2009, 03:34 AM
single 15 with 1200 should eat them alive..they where sealed? how much power?

Type_X
10-07-2009, 04:40 AM
3 12"s is a lot of cone area. were they previously in a ported box?

$300 for a 12 W7 is a steal, you're looking for SPL though so if i were you i'd go another route.

MakeItVibrate
10-07-2009, 04:32 PM
single 15 with 1200 should eat them alive..they where sealed? how much power?

My three 12s were sealed in JLs triple 12 box. I was feeding the w0s prob around 800 watts daily. The w7 im looking at is ported. I know the w7 would definately take all that my iA7 can offer.

I dont know. I think im stuck on getting the w7. Worst comes to worst and it doesnt sound louder than my previous subs, ill just save some money and buy another w7. two of em will definately be louder.

Type X - Im kinda goin for SQL. If it was just SPL id grab these two kicker l7s on craigslist for $250.

ser33
10-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Good plan, you won't be disappointed.

bassfreak
10-07-2009, 09:42 PM
if your interested i have some sq 15s for sale, its made to compete with the w6s, but there a bit louder.. 1 15 ported in 3 cubes tuned to 34 with 1200 would definitely hit harder than a single w7 12 with ease..

AlainD
10-09-2009, 02:04 PM
Soundsolutionsaudio Xcon 12 or 15 and you will have much more output AND very good quality.
You can also look for the Fi BL, it's more spl oriented.
But you'd better tune your box around 30-33 HZ; 40 is way too high for daily listening.
The deal on the W7 is fantastic, but you're looking for more output. You will hardly find another w7 for that price.
It's up to you now.

Tell us what you did.

pyrothug434
10-09-2009, 06:17 PM
also if you wanted to look at another sub the mtx thunder 9500 would def do the trick. I have 2 of those hooked up 2 a memphis mojo m-16 2500 mono amp and they sound amazing!

sub-standard
10-09-2009, 06:56 PM
1 W7 doesn't have much of a chance to get louder than those 3 12"s. But that is a great price for one (comparing it to other JL W7s, but not compared to other similar 12" subs).

So if you want to try one now & then add another later, it would definately be louder.

SKDooley
10-10-2009, 12:37 AM
The 12 w7 would get plenty loud in the right box with a good amount of power to it, but your amp may not be enough to reach it's full potential, thus you not being satisfied. If you get the w7, you'd need to upgrade your amp and that means more money spent. If not spending extra money is in your plans, I wouldn't go that route.

sub-standard
10-10-2009, 02:23 AM
3 12" w0s should get plenty loud in the "right box" too. But obviously he didn't have the right box, or it simply isn't loud enough. Those 3 12" subs will be louder than a single 12" W7 or a 13W7 given all are in the right enclosures. It is just alot more cone are & the W7 doesn't have enough throw to make up for the missing cone area. The difference is that the single 12" W7 will sound better as far as SQ. Now 2 12" W7s will definately have the ability to get louder.

MakeItVibrate
10-10-2009, 04:44 AM
3 12" w0s should get plenty loud in the "right box" too. But obviously he didn't have the right box, or it simply isn't loud enough. Those 3 12" subs will be louder than a single 12" W7 or a 13W7 given all are in the right enclosures. It is just alot more cone are & the W7 doesn't have enough throw to make up for the missing cone area. The difference is that the single 12" W7 will sound better as far as SQ. Now 2 12" W7s will definately have the ability to get louder.

Well my old 12's were in a JL box built to specs for those subs. They sounded amazing at first, but a year and a half down the road, they're not loud enough.

I've decided not to get the 12w7 because i found out it was a svc 3 ohm, not dual 3 ohm like i originally thought. i guess its only the 13w7 with dvc. At 3 ohms on an ia7 I would only be pushing 600 rms give or take, as opposed to 900+ rms at 1.5 ohms. Thats definately not going to give me the results i want. And seeing that its not in my budget to get a bigger amp right now, the w7 is out.

However i came upon 2 12w0v2's and a 500/1 for $325. For the time being i can use the subs with my ia7, and eventually sell the amp and subs for a profit.

sub-standard
10-10-2009, 05:06 AM
You're swapping 3 12W0 subs for 2 12W0 subs???

MakeItVibrate
10-10-2009, 05:21 AM
You're swapping 3 12W0 subs for 2 12W0 subs???

My old ones were v1's. they should be close to the same spl considering the larger displacement.

As ive stated they suit my amp for now and when i sell them for a profit, ill have a little more money to sped on an upgrade.

Rare177
10-10-2009, 08:42 AM
build a ported box for the 3 subs you have now..

should be a good 3-6db louder

sub-standard
10-10-2009, 04:10 PM
I agree with Rare (As long as you have the room for a larger box). The three subs you have now will be louder if you port them and that would be the least expensive option, so why not try it first?

MakeItVibrate
10-10-2009, 05:40 PM
I agree with Rare (As long as you have the room for a larger box). The three subs you have now will be louder if you port them and that would be the least expensive option, so why not try it first?

Already sold my old ones.|[

sub-standard
10-10-2009, 06:18 PM
Well since your starting over then (except for the amp) and since your on such a tight bidget, then you might as well steer away fropm JL for the subs so that you can get a little more output for your money. It's just going to be hard to replace three 12" lower-end JL subs with 2 slightly better 12" lower-end JL subs and get much more output.

But since you were willing to spend $300.00 on a single sub, Why not put $150.00 each on two 12" or 15" subs? You have the potential to end up a lot better that way.

MakeItVibrate
10-10-2009, 06:37 PM
Well since your starting over then (except for the amp) and since your on such a tight bidget, then you might as well steer away fropm JL for the subs so that you can get a little more output for your money. It's just going to be hard to replace three 12" lower-end JL subs with 2 slightly better 12" lower-end JL subs and get much more output.

But since you were willing to spend $300.00 on a single sub, Why not put $150.00 each on two 12" or 15" subs? You have the potential to end up a lot better that way.

I understand where your coming from. I think i am going to buy the 2 12w0v2's with the 500/1. Turn around and sell the 500/1 for at least $200. Take $120 from that and buy a third 12w0v2. Build me a nice box and wire them down to 1.3 ohms. So all in all i upgraded my 3 subs and made at least an $80 profit. What do you think? Not too shabby.thmbup

sub-standard
10-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Well if your making $80.00 profit & your stuck on using JL with your budget, then thats probably your best option. I was just reminding you that better options could be had with 2 12" or 15" subs of a different brand.

MakeItVibrate
10-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Well if your making $80.00 profit & your stuck on using JL with your bidget, then thats probably your best option. I was just reminding you that better options could be had with 2 12" or 15" subs of a different brand.

Yeah this way i could always sell the subs without taking a loss later. I guess i am kinda stuck on JL. Maybe a year down the road ill be looking for something better and when i do ill prob come back here. Thanks for all the help.

BTW, with those 3 subs, would i be better off using the 500/1 or my ia7?